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What do you think of Che? | Che Was Great | | 48% | [ 10 ] | Che Was Ok | | 29% | [ 6 ] | Che Was Horrid | | 23% | [ 5 ] |
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solpacvoicis Soviet Administrator
Posts : 365 Join date : 2008-07-03
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:38 am | |
| really? to be fair, i'm going to have to see some evidence =/
it would be nice if it were true, though | |
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soldat Leftist
Posts : 5 Join date : 2008-07-08
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:42 am | |
| - solpacvoicis wrote:
- really? to be fair, i'm going to have to see some evidence =/
it would be nice if it were true, though my evidence is John Lee Anderon's biography .. whats your evidence? Cuban Exile propaganda? | |
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solpacvoicis Soviet Administrator
Posts : 365 Join date : 2008-07-03
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:43 am | |
| lol, well, yeah, you have to disprove the exile propaganda since i grew up in the u.s. - its hard to let all of it go as such, without a spec of truth.
thanks, i'll read that! =D | |
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soldat Leftist
Posts : 5 Join date : 2008-07-08
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:45 am | |
| THE TRUTH ABOUT THE WAR CRIMINALS CHE HAD KILLED
One of the first tasks of the triumphant Cuban revolutionaries in 1959 was to establish justice for the thousands of Cuban families whose sons and daughters, mothers, fathers, and neighbors had been tortured and slaughtered on the streets and in the dungeons of the Dictator Batista's regime. The martyred dead numbered at least 20,000 in a country then of 6 million. Justice had already begun with the end of the regime as spontaneous retributions took place against known torturers and murderers whose cover and protection had vanished.
Che was assigned the task of establishing a just and fair but also transparent justice and to bring the process under revolutionary control, ensuring due process, defense lawyers, and fair proceedings. Popular, public 'revolutionary tribunals' were organized in large stadiums and courthouses. Volumes of public testimony were given, with horrific testimony of the most vile tortures and bestial murder recorded and made public. Che was assigned the role as "Supreme Prosecutor" at La Cabaņa fortress, and reviewed those cases and handled the appeals of those ... ALREADY sentenced to death for their deeds. Duque de Estrada, whose job it was to gather evidence, take testimonies, and prepare the trials, also sat with Che, the "supreme prosecutor", on the appellate bench, where Che made the final decision on the men's fate. Duque has stated that the two of them "were in agreement on almost 100 percent of the decisions which they did not come to lightly" and that they "got a lot of flak" for giving each case due and fair consideration.
Some 200 or so of the worst torturers and murderers of the US-backed Batista tyranny were shot by firing squads. No one has ever offered a shred of credible evidence that anyone innocent was executed.
It is also important to note that Jon Lee Anderson, author of the 814 page definitive biography - "Che: A Revolutionary Life", has stated that in his 5 years of research: "I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent." Anderson also notes that "Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder." | |
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solpacvoicis Soviet Administrator
Posts : 365 Join date : 2008-07-03
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:52 am | |
| wow! thank you! =D that's enough proof for me lol
you know where i can get this book? | |
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mattabesta Studying Revolutionary
Posts : 154 Join date : 2008-07-04 Location : ICECUBE
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:55 am | |
| - solpacvoicis wrote:
- ...cuba is actually doing great lol, especially when compared to the u.s. right now.
the benefit is they can try to build more excuses to invade and establish a puppet regime like they did before XD
also, make note, its only the u.s., israel, and uzbekistan (random lol) that's against cuba (i'm referring to chomsky's speech about whether or not capitalism is making life better) yeah cuba's doing great now with the reforms going on but before, it was crap. | |
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solpacvoicis Soviet Administrator
Posts : 365 Join date : 2008-07-03
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:57 am | |
| no, its always been at the very least stable, oftentimes its economy was growing a lot - it was during the "special period" that they were stagnated for a bit
also, its thanks to the u.s. that cuba had a hard time in the world market anyway lol | |
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KGB5097 Radical
Posts : 63 Join date : 2008-07-07 Age : 35 Location : Philadelphia, PA
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:55 pm | |
| - calinis wrote:
- ok i mean what benefit would it be in making vuba look worse than it really is?
Sir, the fact that we have a word for this (Propaganda) proves it occurs. The benefit here is to strengthen the cause of the Miami Cubans who operate TRC. You might remember the Miami Cubans from such media as the movie 'Scarface'. | |
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Shabazz Freeman Soviet Administrator
Posts : 373 Join date : 2008-07-02 Location : Bay Area
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:30 pm | |
| - solpacvoicis wrote:
- Shabazz Freeman wrote:
- Che was rabidly anticommunist and slaughtered marxism.
He was a petty bourgeois populist revolutionary at best and yet he became a symbol of communism through his attempts at socialist revolution in africa and latin america? o.o;; yeah he was a populist notice how they were "attempts" and they failed to create a proletarian revolution. | |
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RevolucionSiempre Radical
Posts : 77 Join date : 2008-07-03 Location : The Empire
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:06 pm | |
| I think Che was great because of the many great things he did. He fought for socialist revolution, struggled for equality and against racism, and became an inspiration and symbol for future militant struggle. | |
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Anarchist.Dagger Soviet Administrator
Posts : 89 Join date : 2008-07-08 Age : 35 Location : Amerikkka
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:14 pm | |
| - solpacvoicis wrote:
- you know where i can get this book?
A book store. Or anywhere online. It's a pretty famous one. "Che Guevara: A revolutionary life" by Jon Lee Anderson | |
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solpacvoicis Soviet Administrator
Posts : 365 Join date : 2008-07-03
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:12 pm | |
| okay, i got some cash now, so i'll head to book culture since i'm in new york city and check for it lol
i think i've heard OF it somewhere, just...not very often o.o;; (i live under a rock...) | |
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Sin Studying Revolutionary
Posts : 136 Join date : 2008-07-07 Age : 115 Location : USA Illinois
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:51 pm | |
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solpacvoicis Soviet Administrator
Posts : 365 Join date : 2008-07-03
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:54 pm | |
| okay cool, i'll buy it from here if i can't find it there - thing is, this site has an entire marxist section, and two floors of used/new books, from the most obscure, to the most recent =D | |
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mattabesta Studying Revolutionary
Posts : 154 Join date : 2008-07-04 Location : ICECUBE
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:04 am | |
| - solpacvoicis wrote:
- no, its always been at the very least stable, oftentimes its economy was growing a lot - it was during the "special period" that they were stagnated for a bit
also, its thanks to the u.s. that cuba had a hard time in the world market anyway lol they traded with the ussr | |
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Shabazz Freeman Soviet Administrator
Posts : 373 Join date : 2008-07-02 Location : Bay Area
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:09 pm | |
| Cause the US totally only relies on one other country
lawl
*coughoverahundredactuallycough* | |
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KOMMUNISMUS Leftist
Posts : 19 Join date : 2008-07-04
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:32 pm | |
| it is true no man is perfect only when men untie as one towards the common good only then they are perfect and che did his best to unite the masses i belive hid did well | |
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RedSoviet Leftist
Posts : 2 Join date : 2008-07-23
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:46 pm | |
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Mighty Mighty Bosstone! Radical
Posts : 28 Join date : 2008-07-21
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:00 pm | |
| Che was okay. A heroic and hardworking Socialist. | |
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RedSoviet Leftist
Posts : 2 Join date : 2008-07-23
| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:46 pm | |
| mabey he was a bit to ideologically | |
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| Subject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che? Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:03 pm | |
| he had a peasant based revolution. |
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