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What do you think of Che?
Che Was Great
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Che Was Ok
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Che Was Horrid
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PostSubject: What Do You Think Of Che?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:43 pm

I know their is a lot of controversy over Che.

So, vote and discuss.

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:52 pm

I think the good things Che did (participate in revolutions around the world, become a great symbol and rallying point of communism) outweighed the evil things he did (killed a whole bunch of prisoners of war without trial, although, its debatable as to whether or not its evil, personally i think it was - at least give them a trial) so i said he was great!
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:54 pm

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:59 pm

therealcuba is a propaganda, look for a different site if you find one i might beileve you, but ive searched on that site, its mainly bullshit.

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:02 am

TRC is indeed bullshit.

Che was a man, he had flaws, but his cause was indeed noble.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:05 am

how is that site propoganda
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:07 am

It uses biased facts and made up sections, kinda like that another view of stalin plp website, you know, people can make websites that aren't true, don't you?

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:10 am

so they would just make up people killed by che and shit? seriously its got pictures there of live in cuba. what benefit would it be in making a website about stuff that isnt true?
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:15 am

...just think about what you just typed. reeeeaaallll hard =P
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:17 am

ok i mean what benefit would it be in making vuba look worse than it really is?
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:17 am

btw i can a tonne of sources that show how horrible cuba is
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:19 am

...cuba is actually doing great lol, especially when compared to the u.s. right now.

the benefit is they can try to build more excuses to invade and establish a puppet regime like they did before XD

also, make note, its only the u.s., israel, and uzbekistan (random lol) that's against cuba (i'm referring to chomsky's speech about whether or not capitalism is making life better)
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:21 am

in cuba the quality of stuff is really crap. the cars there are from the 1950s and 60s. i'd much rather live in the US, thank you very much.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:24 am

if you were a member of the lower class, who grew up in a ghetto, i think you'd beg to differ...
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:26 am

Sorry, but a Cubans beg to differ.

This website is from a cuban living there who went from NorthAmerica to there, and this is what he has to say.

http://www.cubatruth.org/

And this will eliminate your statement on a different post saying "Capitalism has better living standards."

As always, if you don't beileve this, pull up some more, make sure their actually from cubans though, not some NorthAmerican that thinks hes cool by saying communism is bad and i like my billons of dollars from being a lazy corporation owner (AKA - Therealcuba.com)

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:28 am

seems like that wesbite is propoganda, how the hell can be sure that that wesbite is from a cuban living there? probably says that so people like you buy right into it.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:51 am

Che was rabidly anticommunist and slaughtered marxism.

He was a petty bourgeois populist revolutionary at best
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:54 am

calinis wrote:
seems like that wesbite is propoganda, how the hell can be sure that that wesbite is from a cuban living there? probably says that so people like you buy right into it.

propaganda? those stats are real, hold on, let me find a official cuban stats page.

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:57 am

http://www.free-biscet.org/cuba%20facts/stats.htm

Pay attention to the "People section" and "Economy section"

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:00 am

Shabazz Freeman wrote:
Che was rabidly anticommunist and slaughtered marxism.

He was a petty bourgeois populist revolutionary at best

and yet he became a symbol of communism through his attempts at socialist revolution in africa and latin america? o.o;;
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:04 am

lol i think it is ironic you send me a link that proves the injustice of cuba. the person in which the webiste is dedicated about is serving 25 years in the "fascist dictatorship of cuba"

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:12 am

Not a big fan of Che so I went for 'Horrid'

Seriously I don't understand why leftist seem to be so taken in by Cuba and Che (especially since Che was supposed to have Maoist sympathies).
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:34 am

yeah, and fidel was a jacobian...

doesn't mean they both didn't (and still do) have a major impact on the movement....

i want to go to cuba and see these things for myself now, because i fucking hate the whole bullshit website thing...

ahh, if only i spoke spanish! this would be a lot easier =/
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:37 am

solpacvoicis wrote:
I think the good things Che did (participate in revolutions around the world, become a great symbol and rallying point of communism) outweighed the evil things he did (killed a whole bunch of prisoners of war without trial, although, its debatable as to whether or not its evil, personally i think it was - at least give them a trial) so i said he was great!

that's actually propaganda. he didn't execute people without trial, he was brought in exactly for that purpose. because people were going crazy after the revolution and were out in the streets seeking vengeance against their former torturers. everyone who was executed had a lawyer to represent them, evidence was presented, they were judged by their peers, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think Of Che?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:37 am

Shabazz Freeman wrote:
Che was rabidly anticommunist and slaughtered marxism.

He was a petty bourgeois populist revolutionary at best

che was a real communist who studied marx and engels and belived in the class struggle.
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