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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:48 pm

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http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34651

Please do not vote for obama

Why vote at all?

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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:57 pm

I am not voting for any candidates but voting for obama will give people the impression that he is progressive and think living under HIS capitalism it will be fine. That is not ok. I will be voting on amendments though. Such as the one in florida about banning gay marriage
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:15 pm

Obama brings up the same run of the will capitalist politician politics

supports the death penalty
keeping us bases in middle east and a slow withdrawl
Refuses to accept racial injustice as racist
supports wire tapping
anti immigrant politics
faults the oppressed for their own oppression
against union strikes

And now for some Marxism

Democracy does indeed exist in America, but it is democracy for the ruling class, not the working class. The Us government is a body for the us imperialists to divide the world and make laws that strengthen the state for the repression of workers and oppressed. It doesn't matter what president wins in this country. They immediately become a servant of the capitalists when they become the top cop of america. The ruling class will not choose a candidate that will protect and expand their interests. For the Workers of america, we merely come together every 4 years to essentially choose one out of the already chosen candidates who will oppress us either way.

The only difference between the dems, reps, and greens is that the dems and greens pretend to be progressive while running the capitalist state
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:24 pm

Sin wrote:
Ruadhan wrote:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34651

Please do not vote for obama

Why vote at all?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0u6lCBnRoHQ
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:45 pm

wow you guys have to remember that the US isnt even capitalist, and obama wants universal healthcare. thats pretty progressive. i'm glad you guys arent voting because there is a better chance mccain will win and will stay in iraq longer

edit:i fixed it for you, try editing it yourself if you make a mistake -solpacvoicis
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:35 pm

Obama is staying in the middle east

"slow withdrawl of troops?"
"keeping bases in?:

they are capitalist politicians and will always defend the private ownership of them means of production

No one man can lay hands on the ready made state machinery and wield it for his own purposes. basic marxism

If obama is not profitable for the ruling class then he will not receive their backing

No industry will endorse me...ever
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:42 pm

so...i was reading the bbc one day...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7507929.stm

...please tell me you can find what is dead evil in what obama is saying in this article....
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:50 pm

He said the conflict in Iraq must be brought to an end as "the central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was".

On other issues, Mr Obama made the following pledges:

* To use all tools not to allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon
* To invest $150bn over the next 10 years to end America's dependence on foreign oil
* To develop new defences to protect against the 21st Century threat of biological weapons and cyber-terrorism

He is merely doing what will make the state stronger in his opinion. ( i personally htink he is bullshitting and his comment on keeping iran from developing nuclear weapons shows an contradiction in itself)

He is for the continuation on the very vague and dangerous 3 words "War on terror"

ending the dependence may lower prices but it just places the US on a higher bracket in terms of the US' imperialist position

Obama is all for strengthening the state...
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:53 pm

get that reactionary bullshit out of here
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:56 pm

yes, but don't just skip over the parts about pulling troops out of iraq....

lets see that quote again:

bbc.com wrote:
The senator said another priority would be to take the war to al-Qaeda and the Taleban in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

and later:

bbc.com wrote:
He said the troop surge policy had actually hurt America's overall strategic interests, by diverting resources away from Afghanistan, just as the situation there was deteriorating.

Mr Obama said a withdrawal from Iraq would allow a much-needed redeployment of troops.

.....doesn't this seem...off somehow? just a bit? hate to be paranoid, but....
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:58 pm

yes he wants to withdraw from iraq to focus on more important parts of the middle east.

and obama does shift his political statements ever so slightly when placed under political pressure
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:01 am

i made the argument that all obama is doing is moving the surge troops from iraq to afghanistan - that doesn't solve anything lol

my friend was trying to say "well, obama is better than mccaine"

mccaine wants to put more troops in afghanistan, obama wants to do the same thing, except working with what's already deployed....

and both don't say they won't declare war on iran or "help" pakistan
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:17 am

In my view Obama is a greater threat than McCain... they both search to strengthen US imperialist position just McCain won't eb able to deceie anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:17 am

Obama is more dangerous because people believe he is progressive when he is in fact, very reactionary
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:22 am

as far as i am concerned, they are the same...

if mccain wins, then the war expands more and more and people just hate him

if obama wins, then the war expands more and more and we pretend to be nicer

.....no really, i don't get how obama is seen as progressive, all this stuff people say he wants to do is just bullshit....

did he ever say he was going to do stuff like free healthcare or immediate withdrawal from iraq, etc?

well...at least from obama you hear stuff about things other than the war - and its less privatization....

at least....from what i've heard o.o;;

for all i know, obama wants to privatize schools too, like mccain...
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:24 am

Well both are capitalists, you can't expect very different platforms, specially as leaders of the leading imperialist nation.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:25 am

No*** real change can be brought about by a capitalist politician or ANYONE under capitalism


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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:27 am

Shabazz Freeman wrote:
Now real change can be brought about by a capitalist politician or ANYONE undercapitalism

You mean "no real" change, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:30 am

i'm assuming he does lol

in order to change the values of society today, you must destroy the basis of capitalism (the existing society) itself...or something like that
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:35 am

You must smash the capitalist state thus ending the dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie and forging the dictatorship of the Proletariat
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:21 am

Indeed. For a real change to happen the capitalist framework must be completely destroyed.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:02 pm

I enjoy barrack far better than that nazi war monger capaitilist mccain
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:17 pm

KOMMUNISMUS wrote:
I enjoy barrack far better than that nazi war monger capaitilist mccain

"I like Barack far better than..."

I'm pretty sure you don't enjoy him Wink Though I could be wrong...

Anyway, I prefer McCain, he's a more "honest" representative of US interests.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:24 pm

KOMMUNISMUS wrote:
I enjoy barrack far better than that nazi war monger capaitilist mccain
so would you vote for him?
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PostSubject: Re: Obama and the US Elections   Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:47 pm

i wouldnt vote for either, same guy holding both puppets.

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