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Shabazz Freeman
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PostSubject: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:40 pm

both are ideologies that defeated proletarian revolution in germany (which ultimately hindered the USSR's development) and fought the russian revolution.

Why is it that people continue to insist on them despite historical fact?

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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:46 pm

because of the constant of war in a capitalist world, there arose the movement and preference of nonviolence, which is encouraged by the state (since it is so beneficial to them) - this is why social dems are preferable to many people =] at least, that's what i think lol
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:54 pm

I think it has to do with the extreme backwards flow of consciousness since the fall of the USSR. It has given the ruling class an opportunity to further perpetuate bourgeois illusions.

your explanation too
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:03 am

i suppose your explanation about the backwards flow of consciousness after the collapse of the ussr that would've given the ruling classes the chance to make up their "nonviolence is the key to changing the world!" bullshit - seriously, wtf, nonviolent groups had always been in the minority....
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:05 am

social democrats means socialist yeah?
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:10 am

no

learn you a book so you know what we mean

@solpac- well you do run into alot of historical slanders and idealist conceptions of oppression nowadays and it is all because there is no political leadership workers and youth feel that they can go to.

we are the exceptions that still made it to the finish line...(well not you you anarchist bastard loljk)
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:11 am

lol, i'm a "studying revolutionary" and so far haven't rejected anything except obvious stuff like cult of personality and the concept of state capitalism...

i sympathize most with the anarchists though lol evem though i end up making arguments for socialist states too (o.o;; don't ask)
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:13 am

you should be in the student group then...lol

i admit

the smart anarchists are easy to sympathize with
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:15 am

get that uneducated reactionary bullshit slander out of here
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:23 am

lol, but my fav. political theorist was kropotkin =] so i want to talk with anarchocommunists XD

too bad there were no social dems to defend themselves XD
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:25 am

fuuuuccckkkk

I need to read that marxism vs. anarchism pamphlet
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:27 am

you need to read about teh awesome ukrainian free territory XD
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PostSubject: Re: Social democrats and peaceful coexistence with the bourgeoisie   Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:22 pm

i used to be an anarcho communist about 4 years ago, if you want to chat on the matter id love to.

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